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Comment by FuzzyCommie on April 22, 2010 at 5:49pm

Comment by FuzzyCommie on April 22, 2010 at 5:45pm

A 12 year old shouldn't be involved in affairs such as these to begin with.

I support some of those "radical" ideas you speak of. Please learn what you're talking about before you decide to run your mouth. All I see is a shitty opinion I've heard far too many times by people who haven't a clue what they're arguing about with a giant set of morals commanding them what to do.

She used one group to describe all of them and the ideas of punk culture CAME FROM THESE RADICAL IDEAS SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT. Stop repeating slogans and start thinking for yourself.

Also learn how to spell, you fucking tool. Even the high school drop out I am can come up with a more complete sentence than you.

Comment by Ghetto Gutter Shock. on April 22, 2010 at 5:38pm

http://www.myspace.com/stompingracism

Comment by Ghetto Gutter Shock. on April 22, 2010 at 5:36pm

One more thing....I believe in getting to know all cultures and being color blind. But I do believe in the perservernce of cultures....The only way to do that is not to slowly kill a culture or race by breeding within their blood lines...Observe and perserve beauty...dont try and capture it...! Let live and live your self!

Another good example is the native american people of USA...Not to mention the New Zealand people...They were known for brutally killing the men that came on their shores to try and capture the women and children for a british invasion!

Comment by Ghetto Gutter Shock. on April 22, 2010 at 5:31pm

CALVIN & HOBBS.......Just a thought....you want a crumbling swastika, not a cross out version...Just to the designer who created the symbol....

Comment by Ghetto Gutter Shock. on April 22, 2010 at 5:24pm

Hey Fuzzy...She was talking about when she was 12, she did not want to get involved with the "radical political" punks....They are very aggressive in statagy and propaganda of some very far fetched ideas, that are great for small communities, but not a nation as a whole!

And she did not say "because it is cool". she states because of the ideaology of the working class...as this is who she is.... In fact the facts that she does state about the elder men in some of these groups, do prey on young women and do feed drugs and booze to the kids, to keep them from growing their own ideas...

I first hand have expericenced all of the exploits of these type of groups... Thats why it is posted...So young women can have the information and be aware, and maybe gain self insight, ITS OKAY TO WALK AWAY AND NOT PARTICIPATE>

Comment by FuzzyCommie on April 22, 2010 at 2:26pm

Wow I didn't read a majority of that. But from what I can tell, the author isn't all that bright.

Claiming "HURR DURR I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH POLITICS" is the kind of statement that's killing our fucking world. God damn, I mean, she's even admitting she's only a part this entire "scene" to look cool, followed by admitting she's a conservative. A complete tool.

I stopped reading around here because I can already tell this is bullshit.


If you want to prove a point, please don't copy someones else's writing. Gather first hand experience and come back, then maybe I'll give a shit.

Comment by Ghetto Gutter Shock. on April 22, 2010 at 1:47pm

http://natassjanoctis.tumblr.com/post/540975827/antifa-scene-killer

...for everyones info....read carefully... you will find answers to some of your questions and strengthin' your beliefs. I wish you all luck on opposing what bothers you....Farrah

AntiFa: Scene-killers on a Rampage

When I first met self-proclaimed anti-fascist skinheads, I was only 12 years old and didn’t know much about the punk & skinhead scene yet. I went to a local area that had an all-ages club and a coffeehouse, both of which had punks and self-proclaimed SHARP skinheads frequenting it. From talking to people and picking up zines & flyers there, I learned about more other local places that had shows, and started getting involved in the local punk (leftist) scene, and along with it, Anti-Racist Action and SHARP.

I had been collecting ska, punk, and oi! records for awhile, and I figured this was a scene where I could go hear this type of music without the risk of the White Power guys from my school beating me up.
I was not trying to get involved with revolutionary politics, stinky hippies, or gangs.
However, this is exactly what I got involved with.

I noticed something was wrong when people calling themselves SHARPs and anti-racist punks were using terms like “Racist” and “Fascist” interchangeably when discussing people they didn’t like and had labeled as “boneheads”.

I also saw many people calling themselves both “SHARP” and “RASH” (Red & Anarchist SkinHeads), as if being against racism means you have to be a radical leftist. RASH, in my opinion has marred the worldwide image and future of SHARP forever by repeatedly linking extremist politics with a simple stance against racism.

Visit almost any antifa messageboard or live show and, you can find the term “anti-fascist” being used as interchangeable with the word “anti-racist”.

I am Conservative and clearly don’t support either of these systems of belief, but I know that Racism is an belief that different “races” of people supposedly exist and are somehow different enough for some to be “better” than others and that “Fascism” is a form of Government in which the State/Military and Corporations control nearly all aspects of public life. They also often lump in “Capitalism” as being part of “Fascism”, even though there is clearly no room for a free enterprise market in a Fascist state. They also find “destroying the audience-performer barrier” as part of fighting fascism, capitalism and racism, which of course only leads to more criminal violence at shows and worse and worse music, further killing the punk scene, and has no effect whatsoever on any supposed Racist, capitalist or Fascist movement.

An elementary schoolchild is taught the difference between Racism and Fascism and Capitalism, and the audience-performer barrier in music has nothing to with any of the three.

Somehow these people forgot all their history classes and believe in some myth that Benito Mussolini has something to do with Slavery or the KKK, and that some company with cheaply made mass-produced products (such as Nike or McDonalds) all are involved with it, and they often throw in the wild idea that Neo-Nazis are, on the majority, homosexual. Soon every gay skinhead was a potential Neo-Nazi, Nazi sympathizer or at least Nazi-fetishist to some of these people.

These people had no idea about most of what they were talking about and were actively indoctrinating (and beating on) youths to think this way as well. They were just as ignorant as these “boneheads”.

Soon, I realized this was not just some place that simply didn’t allow racial violence, but it was a network of old men (usually 30+) trying to have sex with underage girls, anarchist nutcases who want to blow up buildings, communist would-be dictators, homophobes, hard drug heads, and hypocrites who all had all the Skrewdriver records anyway, but would beat up a guy who wore the shirt.

These were People who wanted to censor Art & Music, Who thought they were better than the “boneheads”, but who couldn’t tell me the first thing about the Runes they labeled as “Racist symbols”. These “anti-fascists” were forcibly silencing people who they perceived to not agree with them, and influencing young kids to join up in politicized gangs, buying liquor for underage kids, and all sorts of other sordid behavior.

Communists and anarchists are heavily involved in the antifa movement, and they use terrorist spy -type phone trees to send alerts all over the city within minutes, such as where a certain “bonehead” was located, so they could jump him.
Most of the “boneheads” they beat on were just young confused kids who listened to death metal, or who like the way runes & skulls looked, and sometimes they have even beat up Gay Asatru followers just because of Runes. How this differs from anti-Semites beating on Jews because they don’t understand our religion is hard to define.

Antifa and Spain recently publicly took responsibility for a violent assault on the singer of the well-known punk band the Exploited, who have had gay members, and never recorded a racist or fascist song. They claimed a photo of the vocalist wherein someone else behind him had their arm raised in a Roman salute or “Seig Heil” pose as justification for this assault.

Becoming engulfed in this type of mentality causes these people to become paranoid, seeing a Nazi under every rock, a Fascist behind every tree, and a mortal enemy in anyone who does not agree with or support them.

I realized that I was not at all like any of these people, with their stupid drunken fights, shitty aesthetics, and horribly unstylish dress.
I was defiantly at odds with their whole scene-when I brought up publicly to some of their “organizers” that they were being more “fascist” than those who they labeled “fascist” , and that they didn’t fully even understand what Racism & Fascism were, and that the two don’t necessarily have anything to do with one another, they would change the topic to how I just didn’t understand.

I had many arguments with these people about their ridiculous ideals & tactics, and eventually, they labelled me as a “Fascist”, and have boycotted me and my projects ever since.

I think people should have the right to free speech, no matter how unpopular that speech may be. I do not, however, think people should be allowed to pressure underage children through social means and intoxicants into joining a political fight of any kind. Both Neo-Nazis and AntiFa do exactly this, with nearly identical methods.

If some guy is Proud to be German, why is he less entitled to that belief than someone who is proud to be Gay or Mexican? Either way neither did anything to gain their status, and if they aren’t killing anyone, who cares?

The antifa don’t agree. They do not believe in Freedom.

They believe the opposition to their way of thought MUST be silenced, and by any means necessary.

They actually spy on people’s houses & make threatening phone calls (I have even recieved some).

They use their girlfriends as street warriors to fight other women (anti-sexist, right?).

They intoxicate the youth with drugs and alcohol and influence them into violence.

They say they support the voice of “the people”, yet need to meet in secretive locales, often with passwords needed to enter, such as the back room behind the bookshelf in the Modern Bookstore on South Halsted Street. Yes, the communists actually go behind a bookshelf to a secret hall meet and will probably try to kill me for revealing this.

They make publications that list personal information such as home addresses and phone numbers, and work locations of “the opposition”.

They organize & fund other shady causes under other guises: i.e. money from an “Anti-Fascist Benefit” show may go to buy them some beer, or may actually go to buy supplies for making homemade firebombs, smashing up corporate property, or else legal defense for some Anarchist who is on video-tape hitting a cop with a brick from behind.
They claim to hate ‘Nazis’ and “sexists”, yet constantly work against the Jewish people and the state of Israel and against the rights of women through Islamic-support programs like “Voices in the Wildnerness” and “Solidarity with Hamas”, “Justice in Palestine” groups, etc.

They cannot be trusted, because they believe the individual must be crushed in the strive for the “equality” of the masses, and hurting individual people doesn’t matter in their “Grand Scheme”.

To liberally allow any random person to be publicly labeled a “Nazi” or a “Fascist” (two completely different political ideologies, btw), without much proof, by a prejudiced group with money and scene clout to gain by “smashing more Nazis”, can create a very dangerous reactionary atmosphere where almost anyone can point the finger and shout “Fascist!”, and get someone who they simply do not like for whatever reason, injured or even killed by an angry “well-intentioned” mob.

Yes, people get into fights sometimes, but, for me, skinhead was always about love for the music and the style as a working class way of life, never about political violence. Extreme politics in any culture will always cause divisions and in-fighting.

If the real Neo-Nazis created “antifa” to try to divide and destroy the growing multicultural and non-racist skinhead cult, they couldn’t have done a better job.

Every politically-motivated incident of “Skinhead” violence, be it racist or “anti-racist”, damages the profile of Skinhead culture even more, and the more politically extremist the scene becomes, the less young people will want to even consider being involved in it, and, sadly, it will eventually die.

:(

Posted 21 minutes ago

Tags: skinhead, antifa, anti-racist, SHARP, hamas, islam, antifascist

Comment by Kobalos on April 9, 2010 at 11:57am

@Farrah: You bring up a constructive motto, though I don't agree with your premise that you can't hate a hate group.

Though thinking it through more, I can see that hate is often used as a scapegoat - it's popular to hate. Too many people jump onto the bandwagon just to hate something - it's one of the cards nazism plays folk for. Someone to blame to make themselves feel better - not a good or right motive for anything.

What should be remembered is reasoning, that what nazism promotes is hatred and putting down folk they make out as not the 'same' as them (ironic concept, as if anyone is the same when everyone is unique and a mix of things before!).

That's an underlying logic to not accept nazism or any similar reasoning that someone holds even if they are anti-nazi; because too often we let hatred go on without supportable reasoning behind it but just opinion.

As Tiller below pointed out, instinctive fears shouldn't be the driving force in decisions. IMHO, it should be reason, backed up with unbiased evidence that guides humans. Nazism never did that, but anti-nazism can, it's just important to support rational over irrational beliefs and do things with reasoning based on definite evidence.

Comment by Felix on April 9, 2010 at 8:26am

they hate us....so why we shouldn´t hate them?

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